Romans chapters 3-11 interpolated

“Romans is Paul’s greatest letter — his magnus opus.” (Bob Clanton)

“This letter is truly the most important piece in the New Testament. It is purest Gospel. It is well worth a Christian’s while not only to memorize it word for word but also to occupy himself with it daily, as though it were the daily bread of the soul.” (Martin Luther’s preface to Romans)

Romans is Paul’s suckiest letter, the most confusing and convoluted, and contradictory.  If Romans and Galatians (which are probably forgeries anyway, or at least heavily interpolated in the case of Romans) had been left out, I think I might actually like Paul.  Or better yet, had Galatians been left out since its a forgery, and had Romans not bee interpolated, I would like Paul.

Romans begins as a money letter.  Paul tells the Romans he’s coming to Rome intending to go on to Spain, and he’s basically saying “Get some money ready because I expect you to help me finance the trip from Rome to Spain.”  He closes the letter with the same appeal.  Now in a money letter like that, you don’t fill it with convoluted controversial and in point of fact outright heretical nonsense that will make your would be benefactors say “Hell no heretic, you aint getting none of our money.”   Therefore, Romans 3-11 is instantly suspect as interpolation. Its a major, and counter-productive, distraction from the actual purpose of the letter.

If you read Romans 1-2, 12-16 you see the transition between chapter 2 and 12 is perfect, while following chapter 11, the “therefore” of the opening of chapter 12 (“I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice,…”) would be complete nonsense:

2:24 For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written. 25 For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision. 26 Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision? 27 And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law? 28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God. 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

Furthermore, the nature of the letter as an appeal for money with just a few admonitions on living the Christian life is retained.  Once 3-11 are added it becomes a convoluted theological treatise.  Furthermore, Romans 6 is clearly a second interpolation answering the interpolation of 3-5, and 10-11 is a second interpolation answering the interpolation of 7-9!  Obviously at least 3 authors worked on Romans over time. (Romans 13:1-7 is obvious interpolation as well.)

But where’s the mss evidence of this?  Burned up.  But we know that Marcion of Sinope had published in 140 AD the first edition of the Pauline Corpus, and his edition differed from the later Catholic edition not only in that it lacked Hebrews, 1st and 2nd Timothy, and Titus, but also in that Romans was much much shorter, as Tertullian tells us in his Fifth Book Against Marcion, in chapter 13, “What large gaps Marcion has made in this book, we need not even go into.”  Tertullian gives us minute detail of all the minor textual variations between Marcion’s Paul and the Catholic Paul in the other epistles (they’re just as minor as any variations found in the apparatus of Nestle-Aland)….but with Romans, he refuses to give us any info other than that Marcion did include Romans 1-2.  Why?   Because the favorite part of the Catholics, 3-11 was missing, because they invented it.

Edit: The above quote of Tertullian was a quote from memory, which turns out to be a paraphrase and yet accurately captures Tertullian’s point.  The actual text is below.

In Latin, as found in Evans’ 1972 edition:

Quantas autem foveas in ista vel maxime epistula Marcion fecerit, auferendo quae voluit, de
nostri instrumenti integritate parebit.

According to Holmes’ 1870 translation:

But what serious gaps Marcion has made in this epistle especially, by withdrawing whole passages at his will, will be clear from the unmutilated text of our own copy.

According to Evans’ 1972 translation:

But how many ditches Marcion has dug,
especially in this epistle, by removing all that he would, will
become evident from the complete text of my copy.

Tertullian’s theory is that the Catholic copies are correct, and his only “proof” for this theory is ad hominem attack, namely that he accuses Marcion of being a heretic and having taught that there are two gods.  Its unlikely that this was actually the case.  This is exactly the kind of trumped up nonsense that Catholic writers used to suppress pure copies of scriptural books in favor of their forged or interpolated texts: just accuse the publisher who publishes the pure text of some ridiculous heresy, and everyone will flock to your forged and manipulated edition!

The Baptists are a “perfect dungill”

I found a quote today by a guy named Andrew Fuller (a Calvinist Baptist) who once said “Had matters had gone on but a few years the Baptists would have become a perfect dunghill in society.”

Most sites claim he meant that if Baptists had not moderated their Calvinism a bit, they would have become a perfect dunghill (See this url for example). The Andrew Fuller Center, however, says that Fuller never moderated his Calvinism at all and that this isn’t what he was talking about (see here).

In any case, from my perspective, the Baptists have been a perfect dunghill on society all my life, and certainly longer.  In fact “dunghill” sounds too tame to be accurate.

This denomination calling itself Baptist opposes baptism, teaches once saved always saved and faith alone in both justification and sanctification, takes a dump on morality….its a putrid cesspool of antichristian hogwash.  And they’re always speaking out of two sides of their mouth.  Yes, sometimes they preach against sin, like saying homosexuality is a sin, but out of the other side of their mouth comes “but you can live in that sin and be saved because of faith alone and once saved always saved.”   Yes, they are a dunghill, and its not just because of Calvinism.  Even the Arminian Baptists are a dunghill, because they teach faith alone and once saved always saved, born that way, born a sinner…the perfect storm of Satanic doctrines that destroys the moral fabric of society.  And then on top of that, with their opposition to baptism, they prevent countless supposed believers from getting baptized, and thus from ever receiving the remission of sins and the Holy Ghost per Acts 2:38 “Repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus every one of you, for the remission of sins and you will receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”  Yes, they’re a perfect dunghill indeed.

Now I must cry out in words similar to those of Paul in Romans 7:24,

O wretched society that we are! Who will deliver us from this denomination of death?

Excommunication or “church discipline” for switching churches

In a previous post (Protestantism is secularized Catholic monasticism…the proof) I pointed out that I have been reading a book (on my Amazon Kindle) by Thomas Merton called The Life of the Vows.  Merton was a Roman Catholic monk of the Cistercian Order, and I began reading this out of curiosity about what monasticism is like in modern Catholicism (Merton lived 1915 – 1968). I pointed out there some similarities between Roman Catholic monasticism and Calvinism, illustrating them with quotes from the book.  Continuing that line of thought, here’s another quote:

 “Flight: a religious sins against the vow of obedience when he leaves the monastery in order to get away from the superior. In our Order, this illicit departure from the monastery explicitly involves mortal or venial sin against the law of enclosure. Flight and apostasy involve excommunication.” (Kindle Location 5315)

We pointed out in the other post concerning terminology, that if you change “monastery” to “local church” and “superior” to “pastor” you have modern Calvinist practice. Also, we pointed out that “religious” or “monk” here can be replaced by “elect” (we could also use the term “church member” there).  Also, we quoted from the book where Merton states plainly that the vow of obedience is not a vow to obey God but a vow to obey the superior (the abbot so far as Catholic monasticism is concerned, the pastor in Calvinism).

Below we will make those substitutions, and you will see how Calvinism mimicks the cult-like nature of Catholic monasticism.  One more substitution of terminology will be needed, i.e. “law of enclosure” = “law of church membership.”

“Flight: a church member sins against the vow of obedience when he leaves the local church in order to get away from the pastor. In our Order, this illicit departure from the local church explicitly involves mortal or venial sin against the law of church membership. Flight and apostasy involve excommunication.” (substitutions to illustrate Calvinist parallels)

Notice how flight from a particular “superior” is viewed as equivalent to apostasy!  Its exactly the same in modern Calvinist churches.

Now we know why Calvinist pastors stalk people when they leave their churches! We also know why when someone leaves a Calvinist church they “put them under church discipline.” Because Calvinism is secularized monastic cultism.

5 Reasons Why Calvinism Makes Me Want To Gouge My Eyes Out

I don’t think I’ve ever found a blog article I liked on patheos before. Its generally a bastion of liberal Calvinist hogwash (yes, from my perspective, Calvinism is liberal).  But today I found a blog post there I actually liked…alot.

5 Reasons Why Calvinism Makes Me Want To Gouge My Eyes Out

His best point may be #5, Calvinism produces some of the most toxic culture in Christianity.

I feel somewhat bad saying this, but I think I can honestly admit that there are only 3 Calvinists I’ve met in my life who I actually like– two are friends in my “real” life and one is a Christian blogger whom I really like and respect. Even those inside the movement are realizing the toxicity of the culture as one of my Calvinist friends recently told me that even they find the likability factor of most Calvinists to be wanting. If insiders experience the culture this way, could it be that something is totally depraved about it? (bad pun)

I tried to give it my best shot– really, I did. I think the last straw was in seminary when I asked the guy sitting next to me why he was a Calvinist and he simply replied, “because it’s on every page of scripture”. Or, maybe it was the way many Calvinists treat women as second class citizens. Or maybe it’s the way being told I’m “totally depraved” and that God “might not have picked me” makes me hate myself and live in constant fear. Or maybe it was just the obnoxious behavior of Calvinists on twitter. Perhaps it was even Driscoll himself.

I don’t know. What I do know, is that even if Calvinism were true, I wouldn’t last a day in Calvinist culture. No thanks.

 

Protestantism is secularized Catholic monasticism…the proof

A few days ago I began reading a book (on my Amazon Kindle) by Thomas Merton called The Life of the Vows.  Merton was a Roman Catholic monk of the Cistercian Order, and I began reading this out of curiosity about what monasticism is like in modern Catholicism (Merton lived 1915 – 1968).

In reading the book, I’ve found that 29% through it (according to Kindle’s reckoning) I began to notice many parallels in stupid attitudes between Calvinism and modern Catholic monkery. Por ejemplo:

 “The monk, having renounced his own will, having given up the running of his own life and the free use of his body and even of his soul in some matters, unites himself to the monastic community and is placed in a permanent state of victimhood.” (Kindle location 3814, the italics are Merton’s own.)

To see how this fits Calvinism, just replace “monk” with “elect” and “monastic community” with “local church”, as follows:

 “The elect, having renounced his own will, having given up the running of his own life and the free use of his body and even of his soul in some matters, unites himself to the local church and is placed in a permanent state of victimhood.”

See that?

Let’s look at another quote:

 “Hence the vow of obedience is not a vow to obey God. It is a vow to God that we will keep our promise of obedience to our superior and to our religious rule.” (Kindle location 3822, italics are Merton’s own)

Now, if you just change “superior” to “pastor” and “religious rule” to “membership covenant” you have Calvinism.

 “Hence the vow of obedience is not a vow to obey God. It is a vow to God that we will keep our promise of obedience to our pastor and to our membership covenant.”

Let’s look at another one:

 “The professed renounces the free disposition of his own actions, his body, his property, and gives the Order the right to use him for its work, etc., within the limit of the Rule.” (Location 3829, italics are Merton’s)

The only difference between this and Calvinism is that they have no “Rule” to limit their abuse of the one who enters their Order. The same selling of oneself into slavery, however, is demanded by them.

Now let’s see the clincher:

 “(a) a professed cannot take legal action against the superior for ‘violation of the contract’–sue him for damanges (of course an abuse can be reported to Rome, but this is not a ‘lawsuit’)…” (Kindle location 3844)

There’s Sovereign Grace Ministries right there.  You can’t sue the pastor, nor do they want you informing the cops if he abuses anyone. All you can do is report the abuse to Rome….er…I mean, the pastor himself.

So there you have it!  Calvinism, indeed all of institutional Protestantism, is just a somewhat secularized version of Catholic monasticism!

Edit: I probably should have said in the title, “Protestantism is a secularized version of the worst aspects of Catholic monasticism…the proof”, and in the sentence above, “Calvinism, indeed all of institutional Protestantism, is just a somewhat secularized version of the worst aspects of Catholic monasticism!”  Its the more cult-like aspects of Catholic monasticism that Protestantism has retained and transferred from the Abbot to the Pastor, from the monastery to the local church.

(Please forgive the fact that in the quotations I use the Kindle location, as actual page numbers aren’t available for this title on Kindle.)

Why the U.S. is behind in science

Every President since Ronaldus Magnus (or probably even before) has bemoaned that the U.S. is behind the rest of the world in math and science. No wonder! If all you teach the young skulls full of mush in the science classroom is that they came from a monkey, how the hell do you expect them to be anything but behind in science?  Atheist metaphysics and mythology have no more a place in the “science” classroom than creationism: There’s no reason to deal with the origin of the universe or of life in science, which should be a practical discipline, not the bastard love-child of history and philosophy.  Let science teach how to do something useful, and let philosophers ponder the origins of the universe. Quit calling this abominable mixture of the practical with the fanciful “science.”

This rant brought to you by my immediate thoughts on reading “Kirsten Powers: When a Liberal is Almost Right About God and Politics” at Paul’s Passing Thoughts.

Calvinism’s Get Out of Election Free Card

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Probably the best post Paul D has ever written.

Originally posted on Paul's Passing Thoughts:

ppt-jpeg4We will begin this post by reviewing the abysmal belief system that is Calvinism, but in the final analysis, there is good news for those who embrace it; at least in their own minds.

Calvinism is a hopeless belief system. Plainly, there is no assurance of salvation, and it completely devalues life. It posits God as a god that created mankind so that his wrath against sin could bring him glory. He created abject failure in order to bring himself glory. The heroes among the Calvinists are those who eloquently plunge the debts of how evil we are. That would be the Puritans. All of life’s energies are focused on realizing how worthless we are in God’s eyes. The code phrase is “giving all the glory to God.”

Then, at the one last final judgment, you find out if you hated yourself enough to get into heaven by faith alone…

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Boss Paul the Pharisee

A commenter named Matthew Perri (blog) posted this on Paul’s Passing Thoughts (NO Authority Poster).

BOSS PAUL THE PHARISEE
[sing it to the tune of "Rapture" by Blondie]

I’m Boss Paul, the Pharisee
My hypocrisy’s plain for the world to see
I travel the land and travel the sea
to make a convert who is just like ME

“All have sinned” – we know that’s true
but it never means ME – it only means YOU
My sins are all theoretical
“I’m the worst of sinners”- but don’t ask where

To be more like Jesus is what some strive
except for me – I’ve already arrived
I’m the perfect model since the road to Damascus
What were Paul’s sins? Don’t ask us!

I justify everything I do
If I testify about myself it MUST be true
I’m the only man in all history
whose testimony doesn’t need two or three

If I did something it MUST be right
Don’t use the Scripture to shed any light
Don’t do as I say, do as I do
and then you can be a Pharisee too.

What do you think?

Then at the end of a second comment he says:

The people who will protest most loudly against this truth are the modern “Pauls:” traveling evangelists, speakers, writers, abusive absentee mega-church pastors, Crusaders, and self-appointed “apostles” like Paul, who find it “profitable” to “be like Paul” rather than follow Jesus the Jewish Messiah.

I do think it is largely true that the abusiveness and vitriol in Christianity from one group against another is the result of people wanting to beat each other over the head the way Paul beats his readers in the epistles, wishing those who disagree with him would castrate themselves, calling them dogs and so on.  Paul knows it all, and if anyone disagrees with him, he says “Let them be accursed.”  He didn’t bother to even talk to any of the apostles before he went out preaching, as he proudly brags in Galatians, but if it turns out any of the real apostles disagree with him or preach something different than his made up gospel that he made up out of thin air since he never met Jesus and didn’t bother to speak to the real apostles, well then, as far as Paul is concerned, “Let them be accursed.”   The real apostles are nobodies to him, and whatever they might be, what difference does it make, God shows no partiality, he says, but he always reserves a little partiality for Paul don’t you know.  Oh yeah,  God’s not a respecter of persons, Paul tells us in Galatians when he’s bashing Peter, James, and John, but God is always a respecter of persons when it comes to respecting Paul and his ludicrous doctrines just because they came out of the mouth of the uber-apostle Paul for whom the world was made and for whom alone Jesus was born, the only person who has ever had any worth—ever—and who alone gets to boast.  For justification must be by faith (alone) “lest any man should boast,” that is, any man other than Paul, for Paul boasts constantly and even says “I will not let any man rob me of this boasting.”  Yes indeedy,

I’m Boss Paul, the Pharisee
My hypocrisy’s plain for the world to see…

All have sinned’ – we know that’s true
but it never means ME – it only means YOU

Calvinism awakens great zeal in those who find it (but its zeal for Satanism)

It has been an observation of mine for some time that those who discover Reformed Theology get excited and awaken to a newness of spiritual life. (source)

Those who find Calvinism certainly do get filled with a zeal for their Satan worship, but its absurd to call this zeal “spiritual life.” They are the Gnostics that John writes about in Revelation 2:24 who “meditate on the depths of Satan.” Truly, they are religious men! And filled with great zeal and energy! But that energy is Satanic, and the ‘god’ they worship is the devil himself.

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